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Subject: [GD] League system - reorganisation
Raul to
All
Today we are going to open the discussion about something that already became a hot topic on Sokker Development forum – How we want our league system to be organized. We have listened to you and among all of your ideas we have selected three options. Here are the key points that we want to achieve in our new league system:
1. Shorter season: We are targeting 12 weeks, which would be 25% less than now.
2. We want you to have the opportunity to play more games. Currently those teams eliminated from the National Cup are only left with one league match per week.
3. We want to keep our moderate week flow as much as possible. Sokker is not a fast arcade game with matches played every day and we would like to keep this unique character of the game.
Below you can see visualisation of three different season fixtures with description. We are putting it up for your discussion. We would love to hear what you think, so please share your opinions with us on Sokker Forum and please take a minute to fill out the survey. Feel free to share your thoughts about your own ideas and amendments. Before we show you our three options, we want to propose some new general rules first.
International Cup – we are introducing a new international cup which is very similar to the very well known UEFA Champions League. The competition format will consist of a group stage with home-away system and the two best teams from each group will play in a knock-out system. In play-off there will be only one match. The losing team will be eliminated from the cup.
It is important that all players will get the opportunity to play in a cup. This will be a great chance to compete against other players from different countries and of course this will provide you with better match earnings. The competition format will be similar to our league system. Lower levels will have more teams. On the highest-level champions of the top leagues will play against each other and consequently if you are the champion of one of the lower leagues you will play against a team from a different country at a similar level to even out chances. The Cup will be designed in a way that the higher level you play, the better financial rewards you get, and fans will be more likely to buy tickets. By doing this we are aiming to motivate you to try to achieve the highest possible position in your league.
National Cup – we want to start a discussion about two possible options:
1. All teams from the same country are eligible to take part in the National Cup. This means that clubs from lower leagues might get the chance to play against one of the top teams in their country.
2. As an alternative to this proposal, we will have two Cups: A National Cup and a League Cup. Only teams from leagues 1-3 will play in the more prestigious National Cup. That way we should be able to keep a higher level of competition and teams from league 4 and lower will be less likely to get eliminated in the first rounds. Leagues lower than 4th will be divided into regional cups (4 League Cup, etc.) accordingly to number of leagues on certain level. One cup will never have more than 512 teams.
We will open a separate topic on Sokker Development Forum with an attached survey to give you the opportunity to have your say.
Training – this will be discussed in details in a separate Developer Diary where we are going to introduce proposition to changes, but as you can already see an increased number of matches will require a little bit of different approach to training. We want to give you more flexibility while setting up your squad. There will be a balance between the desire of upgrading the skills of your junior players and trying to achieve good results in official games.
Promotion and relegation Play-offs - Teams will fight in play-offs where the winner of two games (home and away) will be awarded with a promotion to a higher league. Teams that aren't playing playoff games can play friendly matches instead.
Friendly matches – From now on friendly matches will only have a minor effect on your training. You will be able to play friendly match only after being eliminated from the cup. This will not apply to Arcade matches as they have no effect on Sokker reality.
Propositions to the league system
Option 1
Each season has 12 weeks. Each week has three matches that are played on Tuesday, Friday and Sunday. Three league matches will have to be played on a weekday. Since the International Cup requires six matches during group stage, moving a few league matches to weekdays at the end of the season will allow us to play two official matches almost every week, even for teams that are already eliminated from the cup.
Option 2
In addition to option 1, league matches and cup matches will always take place on the exact days as previous weeks. Additional league matches will be scheduled on Tuesdays. Due to the same reason as above those matches will be played at the end of the season.
Option 3
This proposition is the most revolutionary. We are increasing the number of teams per league to 12. Similar to the current league system, each week day will have its own competition assigned. The biggest change here is that there will be two league matches weekly but as a benefit, we will be able to increase the number of teams per league to 12. This will also affect the promotion and relegation system: The two best teams will have a chance to get promoted to a higher division, the six teams occupying the last six positions can be relegated.
Apart from league matches we have set two consecutive days for the national and international cup.
We cannot wait to see what you guys are thinking and what your choices are. We would like to ask you just for one thing before you leave your comments. Try to put yourself in the shoes of somebody who just joined the game. As much as we value our current users, we would also like beginners to get more involved in the game.
You can find the poll here:
League system: https://www.webankieta.pl/ankieta/523386/league-system-options.html
1. Shorter season: We are targeting 12 weeks, which would be 25% less than now.
2. We want you to have the opportunity to play more games. Currently those teams eliminated from the National Cup are only left with one league match per week.
3. We want to keep our moderate week flow as much as possible. Sokker is not a fast arcade game with matches played every day and we would like to keep this unique character of the game.
Below you can see visualisation of three different season fixtures with description. We are putting it up for your discussion. We would love to hear what you think, so please share your opinions with us on Sokker Forum and please take a minute to fill out the survey. Feel free to share your thoughts about your own ideas and amendments. Before we show you our three options, we want to propose some new general rules first.
International Cup – we are introducing a new international cup which is very similar to the very well known UEFA Champions League. The competition format will consist of a group stage with home-away system and the two best teams from each group will play in a knock-out system. In play-off there will be only one match. The losing team will be eliminated from the cup.
It is important that all players will get the opportunity to play in a cup. This will be a great chance to compete against other players from different countries and of course this will provide you with better match earnings. The competition format will be similar to our league system. Lower levels will have more teams. On the highest-level champions of the top leagues will play against each other and consequently if you are the champion of one of the lower leagues you will play against a team from a different country at a similar level to even out chances. The Cup will be designed in a way that the higher level you play, the better financial rewards you get, and fans will be more likely to buy tickets. By doing this we are aiming to motivate you to try to achieve the highest possible position in your league.
National Cup – we want to start a discussion about two possible options:
1. All teams from the same country are eligible to take part in the National Cup. This means that clubs from lower leagues might get the chance to play against one of the top teams in their country.
2. As an alternative to this proposal, we will have two Cups: A National Cup and a League Cup. Only teams from leagues 1-3 will play in the more prestigious National Cup. That way we should be able to keep a higher level of competition and teams from league 4 and lower will be less likely to get eliminated in the first rounds. Leagues lower than 4th will be divided into regional cups (4 League Cup, etc.) accordingly to number of leagues on certain level. One cup will never have more than 512 teams.
We will open a separate topic on Sokker Development Forum with an attached survey to give you the opportunity to have your say.
Training – this will be discussed in details in a separate Developer Diary where we are going to introduce proposition to changes, but as you can already see an increased number of matches will require a little bit of different approach to training. We want to give you more flexibility while setting up your squad. There will be a balance between the desire of upgrading the skills of your junior players and trying to achieve good results in official games.
Promotion and relegation Play-offs - Teams will fight in play-offs where the winner of two games (home and away) will be awarded with a promotion to a higher league. Teams that aren't playing playoff games can play friendly matches instead.
Friendly matches – From now on friendly matches will only have a minor effect on your training. You will be able to play friendly match only after being eliminated from the cup. This will not apply to Arcade matches as they have no effect on Sokker reality.
Propositions to the league system
Option 1
Each season has 12 weeks. Each week has three matches that are played on Tuesday, Friday and Sunday. Three league matches will have to be played on a weekday. Since the International Cup requires six matches during group stage, moving a few league matches to weekdays at the end of the season will allow us to play two official matches almost every week, even for teams that are already eliminated from the cup.
Option 2
In addition to option 1, league matches and cup matches will always take place on the exact days as previous weeks. Additional league matches will be scheduled on Tuesdays. Due to the same reason as above those matches will be played at the end of the season.
Option 3
This proposition is the most revolutionary. We are increasing the number of teams per league to 12. Similar to the current league system, each week day will have its own competition assigned. The biggest change here is that there will be two league matches weekly but as a benefit, we will be able to increase the number of teams per league to 12. This will also affect the promotion and relegation system: The two best teams will have a chance to get promoted to a higher division, the six teams occupying the last six positions can be relegated.
Apart from league matches we have set two consecutive days for the national and international cup.
We cannot wait to see what you guys are thinking and what your choices are. We would like to ask you just for one thing before you leave your comments. Try to put yourself in the shoes of somebody who just joined the game. As much as we value our current users, we would also like beginners to get more involved in the game.
You can find the poll here:
League system: https://www.webankieta.pl/ankieta/523386/league-system-options.html
I'm am still gonna make a new topic for the idea that I have.
I don't want it to be just a comment in a thread :)
I don't want it to be just a comment in a thread :)
@raul i understand that you avoid my questions but i will repeat them because answers are important to me to stay or not stay in the game i want to see your public answer.
How important for you are the NT and their fixtures and how you plan to fit them in 12 week season?
2 NT games will be too much IMO
and why if you say in news one the speed up will be light actually its not 12 weeks is 25% and with 3 games per week is even 33% with youth games on specific day there are no more dates for aracdes so why we should by coin or plus to play arcades?
and yes training not announced but if friendlies give less training teams out of the cup will be affected more
so weaker teams put in disadvantage agian
and did you think making difficult new players as good as existing will make people keep current oldies for long time in mobile game that is the case there is no point haveing youth school there
people will start forget doing line ups so many cards and injuries how this will make competition more fair?
How important for you are the NT and their fixtures and how you plan to fit them in 12 week season?
2 NT games will be too much IMO
and why if you say in news one the speed up will be light actually its not 12 weeks is 25% and with 3 games per week is even 33% with youth games on specific day there are no more dates for aracdes so why we should by coin or plus to play arcades?
and yes training not announced but if friendlies give less training teams out of the cup will be affected more
so weaker teams put in disadvantage agian
and did you think making difficult new players as good as existing will make people keep current oldies for long time in mobile game that is the case there is no point haveing youth school there
people will start forget doing line ups so many cards and injuries how this will make competition more fair?
Remove home and away matches, since they don't matter.
Keep it once a week. 12 weeks is more than enough.
Done!
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Keep it once a week. 12 weeks is more than enough.
Done!
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oh no home/away is a good challenge for revanche and improving tactics on specific opponent. No way, keep home/away :-)
Sorry Sviktorov, but as you wroted me about 50 emails, and asking me questions in every single thread, i'm affraid i just cant answer for all that. It's simply to much.
So for the last time, few explanations:
1. NT teams - there are no idea for 2 games of NT teams, that part of the game will be addressed after we will decide about whole system for majority of users. NT managers are currently only 2% of SK, so we need to take our work step by step.
2. For me 25% is light. It's a matter of perspective, you can have your own, sure. And i dont believie, that number of weeks is a key problem, most importent is to discuss how many games and what competitions should we play.
3. Training will be balanced pretty good for new users, but we cant but all ideas at the same time, it will be a mess. Try to evaluate our leaguse system ideas without that context for now.
4. New players are important, and for sure league system reorganization is crucial for them. For now new user gets a team in most cases out of national cup, have just one game per week, he live the game before he will find it's interesting. That's why we also put our poll outside Sokker, to notice also opinions from ex-users (at FB for example).
5. Injuries, etc. will be adjusted for new assumptions as well of course.
So for the last time, few explanations:
1. NT teams - there are no idea for 2 games of NT teams, that part of the game will be addressed after we will decide about whole system for majority of users. NT managers are currently only 2% of SK, so we need to take our work step by step.
2. For me 25% is light. It's a matter of perspective, you can have your own, sure. And i dont believie, that number of weeks is a key problem, most importent is to discuss how many games and what competitions should we play.
3. Training will be balanced pretty good for new users, but we cant but all ideas at the same time, it will be a mess. Try to evaluate our leaguse system ideas without that context for now.
4. New players are important, and for sure league system reorganization is crucial for them. For now new user gets a team in most cases out of national cup, have just one game per week, he live the game before he will find it's interesting. That's why we also put our poll outside Sokker, to notice also opinions from ex-users (at FB for example).
5. Injuries, etc. will be adjusted for new assumptions as well of course.
I like idea with new matches, but i fear so short season.We want changes. But Why do you want so short season?????? I do not understand... We play it so long time and still play and we play sokker almost 10-15 years....New user coming, end, coming, end....Do you mean that shorter season is atractive more for new, or old players? Old players pay plus and i mean that short season system can to be problem. Shorter season = lower time for use set new tactic, planning, thinking about new trainink strategy etc... Lot of old users play sokker from nostalgy but pay plus and 12weeks season need more time and we do not have time. You can gain new users, but lost old user and this user take sokker under wather few last season and no new users.
Friendly matches – From now on friendly matches will only have a minor effect on your training.
How will players who are not in the first team receive training? Or did I miss something about new system training?
How will players who are not in the first team receive training? Or did I miss something about new system training?
they matter income from games ...
Wtf are you talking about?
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Wtf are you talking about?
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Raul, I know that you are trying to communicate with the community, and try to be as nice as possible. But after 50 mails, you gotta deal with him in a harsher way.
Honestly, it bothers me that he is annoying the person who is working on improving this game.
Honestly, it bothers me that he is annoying the person who is working on improving this game.
Friendly matches – From now on friendly matches will only have a minor effect on your training.
How will players who are not in the first team receive training? Or did I miss something about new system training?
How will players who are not in the first team receive training? Or did I miss something about new system training?
@sir_james watch your language pls now income from games goes to home team and is important on witch stadium game is played if i say something some times there is a chance that i say right thing
Raul, you are wrong!!!!!!
1. NT teams - there are no idea for 2 games of NT teams, that part of the game will be addressed after we will decide about whole system for majority of users. NT managers are currently only 2% of SK, so we need to take our work step by step.
2%.... We train players for U21, NT so for use is importat part game U21, NT.... No only for 2%....
1. NT teams - there are no idea for 2 games of NT teams, that part of the game will be addressed after we will decide about whole system for majority of users. NT managers are currently only 2% of SK, so we need to take our work step by step.
2%.... We train players for U21, NT so for use is importat part game U21, NT.... No only for 2%....
Friendly matches – From now on friendly matches will only have a minor effect on your training.
How will players who are not in the first team receive training? Or did I miss something about new system training?
How will players who are not in the first team receive training? Or did I miss something about new system training?